NWNWiki talk:Community portal

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Disagreements

NWNWiki is a collaborative community project; and, like any project of its scope, we're bound to have disagreements. I think it's a healthy part of the process, but we need to manage disagreements properly and respect others' opinions. I don't bring this up because I think it's been a problem, but I'd rather state this before someone gets bent out of shape rather than after.

As a community project, the users of NWNWiki are the ultimate authority. If we can't come to consensus about an issue, we vote and majority rules. I host the NWNWiki web site, but I get one vote just like everyone else. If I'm outvoted on something, I'll respect the decision and I hope others will do the same.

Thanks. I just wanted to make that clear. -- Austicke 09:07, 12 Sep 2005 (PDT)

On a related note, if someone adds or changes something you disagree with, please discuss it on the Talk page rather than just changing it again. At other wikis, I've seen two people going back and forth with the same edit over and over and it isn't pretty. If you know it'll lead to a disagreement, open a discussion on the Talk page to decide. The same goes for major edits that you think might cause some controversy. Thanks! -- Austicke 09:29, 12 Sep 2005 (PDT)

NWN2 Custom Content Wiki @ NWN2 News

Discussion has been moved to a separate page: NWNWiki talk:Community Portal/NWN 2 News.

Spam

• We've had the good fortune of attracting our first professional spammer. See here. Please keep an eye out for this type of stuff. Their edits should be reverted immediately and an admin should ban them. -- Austicke 15:08, 29 Nov 2005 (PST)
• They just hit two more pages, each time with different IP addresses. If this keeps up, we may need to require registration to edit pages. -- Austicke 20:09, 29 Nov 2005 (PST)
• I added a spam filter to NWNWiki. Hopefully it helps. If you're unable to edit a page due to the filter (i.e., you get a false positive), please let me know. If you'd like to see the links that are being blocked, see here. -- Austicke 21:04, 29 Nov 2005 (PST)
• We're getting hit with some spam this evening. Please keep an eye out and revert any bad stuff. -- Austicke 19:31, 11 Dec 2005 (PST)
• Caught & dealt with another block. person's posting general pron/spam links in a bit of div code. It broke the main page by replacing "s with incorrect code. banned all IPs involved (+ a registered 1-post user). Deleted all blank pages involved.--Defunc7 19:52, 12 Dec 2005 (PST)
• Thanks, Defunc7. I'll add the garbage to the Spam Blacklist. -- Austicke 02:45, 13 Dec 2005 (PST)
• We got hit again. :( -- Pstarky 06:35, 18 Dec 2005 (PST)
• Thanks for deleting it, Pstarky. I'll add it to the blacklist. BTW, as an admin, you should use the rollback link when reverting edits. -- Austicke 09:02, 18 Dec 2005 (PST)
• Thanks for the tips. never work out that one. -- Pstarky 09:30, 18 Dec 2005 (PST)
• I have moved the blacklist to the page Spam blacklist, so admins can add spam URLs to it without my intervention. (It's protected, so only admins can add to it.) Please add URLs to the top list with an explanation or date. As you can see, the URLs need to be in a particluar format, so follow the other examples. Thanks! -- Austicke 09:45, 18 Dec 2005 (PST)
• FYI, due to some changes between MediaWiki 1.4 & 1.5, the NWN2Wiki list needs to be in the MediaWiki namespace: NWN2Wiki:MediaWiki:Spam blacklist. -- Austicke 10:04, 18 Dec 2005 (PST)
• It's actually my fault that the spam got through last night. I had added adult.dynu.net to the Spam blacklist last week when they first visited, but I entered it as adult.\dynu.\net instead of adult\.dynu\.net. Doh! If I had entered it properly, the spam would have been blocked. Sorry about that. -- Austicke 10:09, 18 Dec 2005 (PST)
• I added another filter that will hopefully block the hidden spam using the div tag. -- Alec Usticke 18:58, 5 January 2006 (PST)
• I've also blocked open proxies using SORBS DNSBL. This could very well block some regular users, so please let me know if anyone experiences problems. Thanks. -- Alec Usticke 01:06, 6 January 2006 (PST)
• The additional measures seem to be helping, because I see other wikis being spammed, but we haven't been hit since. I know the spammers have been here, because their bots have registered accounts, but they obviously were unsuccesful at posting their spam links. I'm sure they'll figure a way around it eventually, but hopefully it'll take them a while. *knock on wood* -- Alec Usticke 10:20, 16 January 2006 (PST)

Delete World location categories?

• Someone added an Australia category under the Gameworlds category with subcategories of Australia (East Coast) and Australia (West Coast). I think that's unnecessary and confusing. If someone wants to mention the geographic location of their server, they can do so in the article. Does anyone object to deleting these categories? -- Austicke 15:12, 10 Dec 2005 (PST)

• Of far more value than the generic geographic location is the Timezone. I'd suggest simply making it a matter of standardized "style" in listing a PW or other game server's information that the timezone needs to be included. An optional "peak activity times" could be suggested but not required. For example, if I am looking at the wiki page for Bastions of War and I see that it is in the Pacific time zone (dunno if thats true but for sake of argument) and I am in the Central time zone, then I know that their peak activity time would probably be two hours later than what I would expect from a server in my own time zone. As usual, ask a question I write you a book.  ;) Klingon Mage 20:57, 10 Dec 2005 (PST)

MediaWiki upgrade

I've upgraded NWNWiki & NWN2Wiki to the latest software versions. Please let me know if you see any problems. (I'm sure NWN2Wiki is fine, but I did a lot of hacking on NWNWiki when it started without necessary keeping track of everything, so a customization could have been overwritten.) NWN2Wiki is on the very latest version (1.5.3), but NWNWiki is on version 1.4.12 (all bugs patched, but some features are different). I'll eventually upgrade NWNWiki to the 1.5.* version, but that will require a database conversion, so I'm in no rush. :) -- Austicke 01:05, 17 Dec 2005 (PST)

NWNWiki is now upgraded to MediaWiki version 1.5.4 -- the same version as NWN2Wiki. It seemed to work fine, but please let me know if you notice any strangeness. Thanks! -- Austicke 19:25, 25 December 2005 (PST)

FYI, you might want to go through your NWNWiki preferences again, because it now includes some new features -- such as email notifications. -- Alec Usticke 19:47, 25 December 2005 (PST)

We're now on version 1.5.5. -- Alec Usticke 19:39, 5 January 2006 (PST)

External links?

I don't see many external links in the topics I've seen, and didn't see anything in the Manual of Style... Are external links frowned upon or ??? Lots of content from GameFAQs, NWN Vault, Character Build Search Engine, etc, that would seem appropriate to llink as an external reference in certain locations.... -- Jaguar451

There's a good number of external links scattered around. They're certainly not frowned upon. Any resource is welcome, no matter where it's located. Yes, please add more! -- Austicke 07:52, 23 Dec 2005 (PST)

NWNWiki forum

I have created a NWNWiki & NWN2Wiki forum at forum.nwn2wiki.org. I added it by request of Brick Thrower for discussion about the NWN2Wiki:NWN2 Open Source Rule Set. My personal preference is to discuss wiki issues on these talk pages, but it's available for anything should a need present itself. -- Alec Usticke 23:40, 25 December 2005 (PST)

• It occurred to me that a discussion of "Selectable Class Feats" (which was here) would be more appropriately located in Category talk: Classes. I moved the discussion there. If someone thinks this was a bad idea, my apologies, and go ahead and move it back. --The Krit 14:16, 18 May 2006 (PDT)

Wiki discussion @ BioWare forums

FYI, Brick Thrower's BioWare forum post about OSRS has taken off and has included some debate on the shortfalls of wikis. -- Alec Usticke 17:09, 3 January 2006 (PST)

Doh. Sorry, Brick Thrower, if the bickering with Rhomal got your topic locked. It was supposed to be about your project. -- Alec Usticke 22:55, 3 January 2006 (PST)

Some of the points people had, where good ones. I still think your right though Alec, new users are just overwhelmed by the wiki enviroment (I know I was). Shame someone had to make it personal. Bickering = Boring. Mission Complete, Thread closed. Sad. :( -- Pstarky 06:09, 4 January 2006 (PST)

NWNWiki colour scheme & skin

Just a note that i think the wiki should have a skin that matches the NWN theme, with a white text on black page with gold/purple etc.

Are there any plans yet to add such a skin/style? Barking_Mad 10:10, 22 February 2006 (PST)

Cool idea. Anyone want to create a NWN-themed MediaWiki skin? -- Alec Usticke 09:01, 23 February 2006 (PST)

Alec can you post NWNWiki mombook script please. I tried to copy Meta's script for their monobook/main, but I keep getting bloke by the spam filter. (something about a link or type overflow). I have find some nice help actirles so Im will to give it a try to make it look liek BioWare, but I cant work out where its having problem with the spam filter Thanks.-- Pstarky 03:41, 1 March 2006 (PST)

I think I got something working at the moment.. So hold of posting the script if you want until I say I really need it. -- Pstarky 05:02, 1 March 2006 (PST)

I have done my head in for today. OUCH. Firstly when I was looking at the CSS script on wikimedia. Plus trying to set up one on my User page, I was so lost even with their help articles. I did a search for a thrid party programme and I find a 30 day trail pragamme called Style Master. After spending sometime (1 or 2 hours) reading the instruction and importing NWNWiki page .HTML and tring to work with, I still didnt get anyway. There was so many different command lines and etc that was different from wiki CSS to the programmes instruction. So I simply just started a new CSS file and copied the script from Wikimedia, and for some reason it automaticaly import the NWNWiki HTML information and was getting the monobook skin start away. From guess most of the it, as in what to change and where I got this in the end. User:Pstarky/screenshots I think it look go for a first go, but not too sure if it would work as the black background might be to overpowering. Sorry about not having any pictures, and that was past me today. Unless Alec has to do that on the server side. -- Pstarky 10:00, 1 March 2006 (PST)

Well, it's an interesting start. I'm actually away on a business trip, but if you need my help or need to access any server files, I'd be happy to work with you next week. -- Alec Usticke 15:16, 1 March 2006 (PST)

Ok that sounds good. Im away from Sat to Wed next week aswell. I might download Style Master or another programme if anyone got any favorites (freeware a bonus, but easy to use) at home so if we are online at the same time we got MSN or TeamSpeak to make it easier. -- Pstarky 00:01, 2 March 2006 (PST)

NWN1 is coming to a end

One of the main threads about Atari actions toward Bioware/CC/DLA and finishing the license. Click Here. Alot of people are upset that NWN1 is coming to a end even when they know it was going to happen, or more to the point the way Atari handle it. Just cut the line with out any warning by the sound of it.

• People where worried that there was no more patch coming out from Bioware. Bioware has already (before last friday) stated that patch 1.68 would be the last.
• No more Premium Modules and that include the one from DLA that includes rideable horses (plus 2 more from Bioware in USA summer). For me personally having rideable horse would have been nice, but not a real big lost for me with we dont see it. Of course it bad for DLA and I feel sorry for them and that we most likely want see any offical module from them. (when I think about it the horses in Oblivion were good, but really didnt add anything to the gameplay. Due to you have to get off the horse to enter combat. It really was only for fast movement and to look nice.)

Stupid comments

• boycotting NWN2 so Atari see no profile and putting them in more of a finiacal hole.

It is a shame to see this day come, but my god some of the community like to be trolls. -- Pstarky 08:15, 28 May 2006 (PDT)

I'm disappointed with Atari's actions. I can understand their desire to kill NWN1, so it doesn't compete with NWN2, but couldn't they at least wait for the release date? We still have 3-4 months (assuming it's not pushed back again). BioWare was talking about releasing NWN2 premium modules. It's hard to image they'll want to work with Atari again. -- Alec Usticke 08:49, 28 May 2006 (PDT)

The same thoughts I have. Would it really be a shame if the release date was pushed (not just for Xmas sales) back again to smooth things out. I for one wouldnt mind waiting 2-3 months more for a less bugged/better running game. This is really the only game I have keep update with pre-release like for over a 6-8 months (by the time it comes out it would be over a year), I never have done it before. Maybe way back when one of the Final Fantasy games came out on PS, but that was only like in the last 3 month before release. Plus Im trying to keep a neutral view on things. -- Pstarky 09:36, 28 May 2006 (PDT)

I dont know why Strauss at NWN2news is getting involved in this or even commenting on it. Killing off NWN 1, what did you expect? Then what was your point?

Atari cancelling the PM's from NWN1 really has nothing to do with NWN2. Personally I very surprised NWN2news has lasted this long, having someone like Strauss at the head of the forums. Takes things abit too personal (i know its his opinion but i just think it rubs really bad with me). Tries to push his point of view on everyone. Why does he bad month Bioware/NWN1 in these topics when that is where most of NWN2 community will come from? Why cant he just leave stuff like this alone and let the people that are personaly involved deal with it. -- Pstarky 11:40, 30 May 2006 (PDT)