Talk: Community portal

Feel free to add questions or comments about NWNWiki here. -- Austicke

Google Ads

I have added Google Ads to NWNWiki. They should be relatively unobtrusive on the left navigation bar. I can't imagine they will earn much, but any commissions will go to support the Bastions of War server. The ads are not displayed on Special, User, User talk, Image, Template, and edit/preview pages. They're also only on the MonoBook (default) skin. If you don't want to see the ads, you can change your preferences to another skin. Thanks. -- Austicke 06:15, 4 Sep 2005 (PDT)

NWNWiki Promotion

I have sent an announcement to NWVault, added a link to BioWare's web site, and posted a message to their forum. How else can we get the word out about NWNWiki? -- Austicke 10:34, 7 Sep 2005 (PDT)
How about making a announcement in the DM forums about adding their worlds to the Gameworld page? -- Pstarky 03:18, 8 Sep 2005 (PDT)
Good idea. Thanks, Pstarky. -- Austicke 06:18, 8 Sep 2005 (PDT)
Our announcement appeared on NWVault today. I also posted a message on the BioWare Server Admin forum. -- Austicke 12:57, 8 Sep 2005 (PDT)
We've been stickied! -- Austicke 09:33, 12 Sep 2005 (PDT)
I think we got the ultimate promotion today: BioWare Wednesday. -- Austicke 18:31, 28 Sep 2005 (PDT)

Article styles

For feats, spells, etc., I'd suggest we try to leave the "standard" NWN description unchanged and put any notes or corrections in a separate section called Notes or something of the sort. For example, see Deathless Mastery. -- Austicke 15:09, 7 Sep 2005 (PDT)

NWNWiki logo

Do we have any artists in our midsts? It'd be nice if we could have a custom NWNWiki logo that appears in the upper left hand corner of every page. -- Austicke 13:04, 8 Sep 2005 (PDT)

Ok I want to make a banner. I can come up with the design for the banner, but i need help to make the design into a Banner. Any information/help would be great. -- Pstarky 07:06, 5 Oct 2005 (PDT)

What do people think about this logo for the main page. To replace the NwN logo.

For the main logo on the Main Page.

The banner will go along the same look. -- Pstarky 15:17, 5 Oct 2005 (PDT)

Looks good to me! -- Austicke 15:54, 5 Oct 2005 (PDT)

Can I have some more freeback from others please. -- Pstarky 23:21, 5 Oct 2005 (PDT)

I think its a little large, but other than that seems fine (oh and needs to be anti-aliased) Enigmatic 23:27, 5 Oct 2005 (PDT)

Ok with a bit of playing around in Photoshop I have worked out the anti-aliasing. Here are the end product. The frist file is a PNG-24, and the second one is PNG - 8. The second one is smaller of course. I just basicaly upload the two to see if there was any difference.

Now that i have had a look at both together, Im happy with the second one. PNG - 8 File/Smaller file -- Pstarky 05:14, 6 Oct 2005 (PDT)

Almost everything looks better with anti-aliasing ;) --Defunc7 05:32, 6 Oct 2005 (PDT)

Do we want to have it looking like this.. wikipedie Main Page. -- Pstarky 14:16, 6 Oct 2005 (PDT)

I think I understand what you mean Alec, by having the two logos. (NWNWiki, and NWN) Just have them side by side? -- Pstarky 15:42, 6 Oct 2005 (PDT)

Oh, you have anti-aliased them already. Looks like I did some unnecessary work. Nevertheless, I think the first one looks much better. There really is no point conserving bandwidth or disk space, it is 2005, you know. :D --Miborovsky 20:00, 8 Oct 2005 (PDT)

Lexicon

(Discussion moved from Talk:Main Page.)

I think the Lexicon should be integrated somehow. -- Lucky Day Sep 9 2005

Yeah, a nwscript section would be good. (Actually, the entire Lexicon would work well as a wiki.) I'm not sure if we should duplicate their info or what. At the least, we should certainly link to them. -- Austicke 12:08, 9 Sep 2005 (PDT)

Just thinking the whole of their archive comes in chm and html format all we have to do is ask them if it can be intergrated thats all. -- 194.80.20.10

They have an XML export as well if that helps. Not sure of what process would be required to keep it all updated but I have done XML and have used MySQL in the passed so it isn't beyond the realms of possibility providing we use some very smart labelling. Worst case we can put in references to the Lexicon where it is appropriate (ie if you add a note to a scripting function like "SetAppearance" then externally link it to the lexicon) Enigmatic 23:28, 5 Oct 2005 (PDT)

ElricWiki

We have a fan: ElricWiki. -- Austicke 18:10, 14 Sep 2005 (PDT)

Should I be happy about this fan? -- Pstarky 18:55, 14 Sep 2005 (PDT)

I don't mind it really. Most of our info comes from public sources, so I don't see the harm if they want to copy. If they create any content of their own, hopefully they'll come and add it here too. -- Austicke 19:35, 14 Sep 2005 (PDT)

Yes, if they do that it would be great. If not, we will just be as happy to copy their content as they are happy with own content. All I got to say though. Is we are the stricty WIKI on BioWare Forums, why would they have two stricty WIKI's. (Sorry self-centered moment there.)-- Pstarky 23:09, 14 Sep 2005 (PDT)

Cry.... Almost feel like NWNWiki been a whole lot of wasted time. Elrick Wiki Recent Changes (im really a net newbie when it come to program based for the net, didnt know a program could do all that. :( ) -- Pstarky 11:45, 16 Sep 2005 (PDT)

Someone found the information you added so valuable that they copied it and you think it was a waste of time? Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Don't sweat it. -- Austicke 11:53, 16 Sep 2005 (PDT)

LOL Sorry had a Mason moment there. :) -- Pstarky 11:56, 16 Sep 2005 (PDT)

They didn't seem to last long. -- Austicke 16:30, 6 Oct 2005 (PDT)

Dunno but you gotta LOVE their Error 404 page. ;) Klingon Mage 18:56, 6 Oct 2005 (PDT) (Dire Ferret is watching you!)

Disagreements

NWNWiki is a collaborative community project; and, like any project of its scope, we're bound to have disagreements. I think it's a healthy part of the process, but we need to manage disagreements properly and respect others' opinions. I don't bring this up because I think it's been a problem, but I'd rather state this before someone gets bent out of shape rather than after.

As a community project, the users of NWNWiki are the ultimate authority. If we can't come to consensus about an issue, we vote and majority rules. I host the NWNWiki web site, but I get one vote just like everyone else. If I'm outvoted on something, I'll respect the decision and I hope others will do the same.

Thanks. I just wanted to make that clear. -- Austicke 09:07, 12 Sep 2005 (PDT)

On a related note, if someone adds or changes something you disagree with, please discuss it on the Talk page rather than just changing it again. At other wikis, I've seen two people going back and forth with the same edit over and over and it isn't pretty. If you know it'll lead to a disagreement, open a discussion on the Talk page to decide. The same goes for major edits that you think might cause some controversy. Thanks! -- Austicke 09:29, 12 Sep 2005 (PDT)

Navigation Bar

I'd like to consider altering the Navigation Bar that is on the left side of every page (at least with the default Monobook skin). It currently includes:

Main Page
Community portal
Current events
Recent changes
Random page
Help

I think the "Current events" item can go; I don't see any need for that. Perhaps replace it with "Categories"? Thoughts? Any other suggested changes? -- Austicke 08:42, 27 Sep 2005 (PDT)

That sound fine with me. Having the link to all Categories there would be easier I think. -- Pstarky 11:56, 27 Sep 2005 (PDT)

Would it be useful to have the nav bar feature the top-most categories/articles available? I would potentially suggest 1 link for the game itself (ie playing it), and another for the toolset. I see most of the people falling into these 2 categories and thus it would give them a way to immediately access that portion of the system. I keep finding myself having to navigate several pages before I get back to the [[Neverwinter Nights]] page Enigmatic 23:31, 5 Oct 2005 (PDT)

I changed the navigation bar. Now what do we put at NWNWiki:Categories? :) -- Austicke 16:23, 6 Oct 2005 (PDT)

I have noticed on NWNWiki special:categories the list is all over the place. (Im guess the order is by date created) When I looked on Wikipedia special:categories they have it all in Alphabetical order. I have had a quick look though Wikipedia and WikiMedia helps and this is all I could find on it alphabetical order. It just basically outline what it mean. Im guessing Alec your the only one that can edit these pages. Would you think it would look better Alphabetical? Plus would you want that to be the link for NWNWilki:Categories or have it different? (like a Category tree which I saw as a idea somewhere else) -- Pstarky 04:12, 9 Oct 2005 (PDT)

Yeah, special:categories is not very helpful. I'm not sure why it's not in alphabetic order, but that's why I created NWNWilki:Categories -- so we could make something more useful. Looking at Wikipedia, I think we want something like this: Wikipedia:Browse. -- Austicke 12:28, 9 Oct 2005 (PDT)

Ok I see what your mean. So, Races heading then a list of all the sub-category under the Races heading... Classes heading then a list of all the sub-categories under Classes heading.... etc etc -- Pstarky 12:42, 9 Oct 2005 (PDT)

Can NWNWiki include references to HCR?

The Hard Core Rule set is a set of code designed to be used for developing ones own modules. It focuses on bringing the NWN game closer to the original Pen and Paper rule books. Would entries of this matter be welcome here in NWNWiki? What are the boundaries for the material? Just if they are copyrighted or not? Thanks for looking.

Link to HCR: http://www.neises.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=40

--Brick Thrower

I very much welcome community content in NWNWiki. The Hard Core Rule set -- or any community created content -- certainly deserves it's own page (or entire category) on the wiki. Personally, I wouldn't mind if general articles (such as spells or feats) had a "Hard Core Rule set" section with info (or links to HCR pages), as long as it's made clear that it's an alternate system. What do others think? -- Austicke 10:20, 27 Sep 2005 (PDT)

Im all for new content! Be great to have this on here too. -- Pstarky 11:57, 27 Sep 2005 (PDT)

I received the following email today:

To: <alec@usticke.org>
Subject: NWN Wiki And The HCR
From: "Sunjammer"
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 21:39:11 +0100
Cc: "Sir Elric"

Hi Alec,

I am writing to you as one of the HCR Moderators and on behalf of the
current HCR Developers (specifically Sir Elric). 

It has come to our attention that some individuals within our community are
publishing extracts from the HCR on your NW Wiki and another Wiki site.
Unfortunately they are doing so against the express wishes of the current
development team and we would greatly appreciate your assistance in
resolving this matter.

When Archaegeo left the HCR Community he made a deal with Pete Neises that
so long as the HCR existed it would have a home at neisses.com and, until
recently, everyone has respected Archaegeo's wishes.  Unfortunately the HCR
is going through a difficult period as a result of the current Lead
Developer being AWOL most of the time.  In his absence the community has
grown restless and it has fallen to a few of us to try and hold things
together as best we can.  Nevertheless there have been calls from a minority
to move the HCR to SourceForge and/or a Wiki.  We have discussed these
requests openly with the community but ultimately decided that it was in the
best interests of the HCR to continue building the boards into the resource
for all things relating to the HCR.

We thought everyone had accepted this decision however it appears two
individuals in particular were dissatisfied with the current state of
affairs and have taken matters into their own hands.  This puts the HCR team
in a difficult position: on the one hand we love that they bursting with
enthusiasm but on the other we are very concerned this is simply going to
fragment the community and confuse both existing and potential members.  We
have asked that they use our Knowledge Base forum instead of the wikis and
have repeatedly suggested that they joint the development team.
Unfortunately the are unwilling to do either though they will not say why.

Returning to the matter in hand I know you take these issues very seriously
so I hope you will help us resolve this issue.  Obviously we want to support
NW Wiki as it is evolving into an excellent resource but at the same time we
want to try and maintain the "one-stop-shop" approach to the HCR that has
worked up to now.  To that end earlier today Sir Elric edited or added pages
for the HCR and Hardcore Ruleset which gave a brief outline of what we stand
for and links to our official home.  Further we would be very grateful if
you would remove any other pages relating to the HCR.  We would also like to
discuss how we might support each other going forward and how the HCR might
contribute to the NW Wiki in the future. 

I look forward to hearing from you.

Warmest regards,
Sunjammer

I guess I should expected an issue like this based on past discussions (including here and here). My response to the email was that NWNWiki is a community-run project, so I wanted to discuss it here. Sunjammer gave permission to post the email.

I see that Klingon Mage commented about this on his talk page and doesn't want to continue documenting HCR when the owners object. So, unless anyone has any objections, I guess we should delete the couple pages documenting the HCR scripts and just make one HCR page with general info and links to other pages on neisses.com. I'd still like to see some notes on other pages about HCR community content (like how standard game rules and such are altered), because I think it's relevant to the NWN user who uses this site. I hope that's acceptable to the HCR folks.

So, any comments or suggestions? -- Austicke 01:11, 16 Oct 2005 (PDT)

Seeing some notes about HCR content on changed rules and etc. is still a good idea. Having a external link with the note to the pages on neisses.com in-reference to the change for that rule etc, is a good idea. In the way of supporting each other going forward in the future... It would be great if something what set up so that as soon as a change/update on neisses.com was made, we find out about it and how we could contibute/add in to the WIKI. Plus having a guide-line to show people what neisses.com likes and dis-likes with edits to do with HCR on NWNWiki. -- Pstarky 06:03, 16 Oct 2005 (PDT)

SunJammer speaks the truth when he says, "...there have been calls from a minority to move the HCR to SourceForge and/or a Wiki. We have discussed these requests openly with the community but ultimately decided that it was in the best interests of the HCR to continue building the boards into the resource for all things relating to the HCR." It was I, Brick Thrower, who initiated that forum post and argued in favor of, for quite a while, always being polite and handling queries thoughtfully, as I have always done throughout my help on their boards. However, those who _can_ contribute to HCR are limited to an exclusive inner circle, despite the best efforts of those who even ATTEMPT to contribute. I discussed at length the benefits of moving the HCR source code to an open source solution on their forum in poll format and it was indeed voted down (and the thread closed to further discussion). The verdict was fair and I abide by that decision not to move the HCR code off. Therefore, I *agree* with getting rid of the HCR source code from the NWNWiki pages. I posted ONE of the HCR source code scripts here so that everyone can compare to the revised version that I was proposing. The use of this single HCR code script has done it's purpose by forcing the issue to a resolution. I tried very hard to work with the HCR crew, but it has become quite clear that HCR is NOT a community development project, despite their use of the word "community" and claiming that they welcome community contributions. You may go to the HCR forums to get answers regarding their code set (many times by me!), but I wouldn't bother contributing anything other than questions...visit their community contributions forum and you'll see exactly what kind of reception you will get. OUCH! http://www.neises.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=78 Austicke, however, is not only actively ASKING for content, but allows it to become the product. He is actively encouraging development here. It is not hard to see what decision one should take, when one guy is pushing you out the door of his house, while another is pulling you into his.

Thus it is that we, that is, I and interested others on this board, will be initiating the NWNWiki Rule Set (NRS) in the upcoming months. I will be freely donating my module source code to kick off the NRS as public domain. The NRS will be a rule set for the people, owned by the people, and modified by the people. Interested Wiki contributors will morph the code into a monster that none of us today will have imagined. Hopefully some of the the HCR developers will contribute, for they are very good at what they do. The only NRS criteria here will basically be keep improving the Code, and to not be bogged down by the type of source code repository or the method of it's delivery (which is the lesson that we learned from our HCR experiences). We will follow up later on as we finish our initial work and make an announcement on NWVault to encourage other disenfranchised coders and documentors to join us here on NWNWiki. Unfortunately we will have to link back to the HCR site as we document differences between, and improvements upon, the HCR code set. As a caveat, I should also point out to you Austicke, that the HCR site does NOT permit links back from their site to NWNWiki. If you post any link there regarding NWNWiki, it is deleted. I must say that it is indeed nice to be on a site with mature moderators who allow linking back to the original source of an issue.

I should also point out that none of the HCR pages in this NWNWiki implied or inferred that HCR code was kept here on NWNWiki or ever was intended to migrate here. There exist links back to the HCR source code owner on many of the HCR pages within this Wiki.

Also, I am sorry that we have to despoil the NWNWiki pages with what seems to be a personal issue. I hope it stops at this and we can each work towards our own declared goals. I have no issues with the HCR code at all, only the methods used to CHANGE that code. Brick Thrower 21:02, 16 Oct 2005 (PDT)

Hear hear. Ditto that from me. Let this be an end to the whole mess and lets get back to building NWNWiki!!! Klingon Mage 21:06, 16 Oct 2005 (PDT)

oh well, I hope nobody calls them elitist PnP snobs :p ouch --NWNudist 02:12, 17 Oct 2005 (PDT)

I don't think this fire needs anymore fuel, Defunc7. -- Austicke 07:08, 17 Oct 2005 (PDT)

Okay, I marked a bunch of pages for deletion that I don't think will be needed anymore. The Hardcore Ruleset article should do it. Please feel free to expand it. Thanks! -- Austicke 17:45, 18 Oct 2005 (PDT)

NWN2Wiki

With NWN2 being released next year, I plan on continuing our good work with NWN2Wiki. I already have the domain nwn2wiki.org (which currently points to this wiki). I had originally thought I would convert this wiki to the new product, but I have the feeling NWN will continue as a viable game past the NWN2 release date. So, what should we do?

Fork it: Copy this wiki to a new web site and adapt it to NWN2Wiki while still maintaining the original NWNWiki.
Start fresh: Start NWN2Wiki with a clean MediaWiki install and start everything from scratch.
Convert it: Screw NWN and convert this wiki to NWN2Wiki without retaining the original site.

Please share your opinion and any other ideas or suggestions. I'd like to start NWN2Wiki relatively soon, since details are starting to leak out -- such as which base classes will be included. Thanks! -- Austicke 22:40, 7 Nov 2005 (PST)

I think it is perfect just as it is right now! I mean, we don't really know what changes will come with NWN2, but we can assume, because they have announced there will be a method to migrate modules from NWN1 to NWN2, that at least SOME of the material will still be relevant. I would hate to see all of this hard work gone to waste! I think we can continue to expand upon it and add pointers to relevant NWN1 or NWN2 material, as appropriate. Having two Wikis would just be too confusing; there will be duplication of effort on both sides that will frustrate users. At the least, I think you can hold this question until after NWN2 is released and we see what the real impact will be. *plink* *plink* --Brick Thrower 23:57, 7 Nov 2005 (PST)

Hmm, that's another option I hadn't considered, Brick Thrower. You're suggesting this single wiki include information for both games? What about differences between the two games? With NWN2 based on D&D 3.5, there will be class differences and there's sure to be different spells, feats, etc. We already know NWN2 will include a base class not in NWN (Warlock). If someone is looking for NWN2 information, I'm concerned they'd have to wade through a lot of non-relevant information about original NWN. I'm not sure I like that option but am very interested in hearing others' opinions. Thanks. -- Austicke 06:40, 8 Nov 2005 (PST)

wait for release. start from scratch. apart from the 3.5 rules alterations, the missing epic, missing PrCs etc some of it will probably need rewriting anyway.--Defunc7 09:05, 8 Nov 2005 (PST)

I don't think we should wait for the release. A lot of information is soon to be revealed and people are going to be looking for that information (and a place to collect it) as the publicity machine ramps up. The earlier, the better. -- Austicke 09:33, 8 Nov 2005 (PST)

Indeed! Do not wait. I see that over on NWN2News they are also talking about a wiki for NWN2. One of our strengths is that we already have the best one up and running. Theirs is locked behind a UserID/Password. I really think that there will be a lot of similarity between NWN and NWN2 (might be wrong) and it would be a good idea to compare the two on each page. Austicke's gentle reminders to Users to properly create new articles have been working well. Those articles that properly should have their own NWN2 distinction should have the article modified so it is clear what version the User is looking at. Perhaps at the top of each page a special NWN2 logo identifier, NWN1 logo identifier, would help quickly distinguish the differences to a User...similar to the NWN | SOU | HOTU colored labels that you get by your name on the BioBoards when you have registered your game, could applied to the articles that contain NWN2 content. On the main entrance page, make it clear that this is a repository for both game versions, and users should look for these logos on the articles; if no logo is present, then the User can assume it is NWN1 content. Eventually we will all be visiting the pages over again anyway, and I bet it will be short order before every article is touched. --Brick Thrower 09:47, 8 Nov 2005 (PST)

Well I havent really been keeping update with all the stuff with NWN2 (I never really do with upcoming games. Well the only game I have played more then 3 months has only been NWN) All I really care about is the release date and if my computer can handle it. Plus I really dont know the difference inbetween the rulesets of NWN and NWN2. (never really was a PnP player) I think I will spend sometime reading to get update as I would like to be apart of NWN2 as Im with NWN and want to know what Im talking about. (bah after having 2 weeks holidays I got a bit to catch up to. ) At the moment, the thought of removing NWN totally does not sit well with me though. -- Pstarky 01:43, 9 Nov 2005 (PST)

No one has suggested ditching the NWN information in this wiki. The question is how to handle NWN2. This discussion has been helpful though. My current preference is to keep it separate and start from scratch with NWN2. That way, we can see it grow as information is released over the next half year or so. -- Austicke 04:38, 9 Nov 2005 (PST)

Ok I got a bit over excited there, sorry. Yea, having two seperate Wikis for NWN and NWN2 is the better I think. Im sure there is going to be people that will have NWN2 and not original NWN at first (or then buy the original later) and would get confused with the information if on the same site. -- Pstarky 05:38, 9 Nov 2005 (PST)

BAH, I think I going just skip the Forums on NWN2 and just a keep a eye out of important news and hard facts. Im dont really care about the 'What if is' or 'What if that'. Im going to add a Note/Update to the NWN2 about PC Gamer (YAY Next week is going to be in the store in Metro Sydney NSW) and the Screenshots that NWN2News have. (They look great btw) -- Pstarky 03:26, 10 Nov 2005 (PST)

I installed a new instance of MediaWiki for NWN2Wiki. It's currently a blank slate, but hopefully I can find some time this weekend to finish setup and start setting up some pages. -- Austicke 15:57, 9 Dec 2005 (PST)

NWN2 Custom Content Wiki @ NWN2 News

As announced here, NWN2News has started a NWN2 Custom Content Wiki (registration currently required). I had a brief chat with Rhomal, owner of NWN2News, and a couple other organizers last night, and they were looking to work together. They only want to concentrate on custom content (just like the first NWN wiki) and want to share links. My response was that we're certainly not going to restrict any content of our forthcoming NWN2Wiki, but I'm sure our editors would be happy to link to their content if it was useful. -- Austicke 11:46, 15 Nov 2005 (PST)

Isn't all data entry "custom content"? That is, none of it is copyrighted! I have accounts both places, but I would rather contribute here. However, most of my contributed content (and that which is coming) probably falls into the Custom category. Should I be encouraged to contribute over there? What is the status of the "to NWN2 or not to NWN2" question you posed a few weeks back? Will you be creating a totally new Wiki for NWN2? If so, when will it be up? What is the status of my scripting question (Scripting on front page)? Oh so many questions, I'm all confused. :) I would like to aim the NWNWiki Rule Set towards NWN2 and will not contribute further here if I have migration work to do later on. So I need need more clarification, please. Thanks. //Brick Thrower 12:13, 28 Nov 2005 (PST)

I was just sharing information with my post about NWN2News. As I said, NWN2Wiki will cover all aspects of the game, so I'll encourage everyone to contribute custom content articles to NWN2Wiki. I'm still not 100% sure how I want to handle NWN2Wiki, but it will certainly be a separate web site. I want to start fresh, but I'm not sure if I'll duplicate the existing wiki (and then delete and/or tag all the existing pages) or start totally fresh. I'll try to resolve it soon and get NWN2Wiki up and running with a couple weeks. I'll take a look at your question on the Main Page discussion. -- Austicke 22:45, 29 Nov 2005 (PST)

As Defunc7 pointed out elsewhere, Rhomal started a topic on the BioWare forums about his wiki. -- Austicke 15:58, 12 Dec 2005 (PST)

Rhomals started another thread (to get it into "general" instead of "graphics") http://nwn2forums.bioware.com/forums/viewtopic.html?topic=462139&forum=95 --Defunc7 10:00, 13 Dec 2005 (PST)

Alec and I had a feeling this was going to happen, its a shame that it has. I do have to say Rhomals/NWN2News has changed their minds from "Custom Content Only". Oh well. -- Pstarky 10:54, 13 Dec 2005 (PST)

Personally I think that the shoes fit on the other feet! I feel that this Wiki is much more technically inclined. I use two wide screen monitors and NWNWiki.org resizes very nicely, while NWN2News.net forces their column width down to VGA size...ugh! The Wiki pages there are not up to the professionalism that I desire. Lots of color and graphics but little meat. I posted an inquiry there to see what the interest was for scripters and have yet to receive a reply. Browsing the "news" and other posts there leaves me feeling that it's a bit amateurish, while I don't get that feeling here. I do not mean to denegrate their hard work! Rhomal is hot on top of news I can't find myself so I browse there for a different reason. But not for Wiki content. It's kinda like Mars & Venus, you know? Men and women? Facts are here, cosmetics are there. Talking occurs there, Conversations occur here. To each his own. I see no worries like I did originally... I do not think much content will turn up there, and what does will not be properly groomed for longetivity.
- Try this for example, just my first test. Compare these two side by side: "alignment": NWN2News.net and NWNWiki.org. Now, serious gamers are most likely running widescreens...if you are not, try to widen up your browser display wider than your monitor, and compare the two side by side. Not only is the content obviously different, the format certainly is!
- Perhaps I was just lucky and pulled the wrong straws out of the bag. Let me try again. I'll just scan both lists (on my two widescreens, heh heh) and HERE! Barbarian. Both have a barbarian entry. Let's see what they look like: NWN2News.net, NWNWiki.org. If you ask me, VGA resolution is for the kids. I'll stick around here when I need content. BTW, reading this entire thread should be mandatory, I feel.
- // Brick Thrower 15:13, 13 Dec 2005 (PST)
Currently I'm split between adding to NWN2Wiki to shut some people up and just ignoring this until nearer NWN2's release. I still haven't had a solid reply about if Wiwi's articles can belong to multiple categories (like they can here) or other navigation structures which would tempt me over to them (not to mention I can't stand their default site design). I'm probably gonna try & complete a couple of entries to that Bioware job-competition before I settle on this.--Defunc7 16:10, 13 Dec 2005 (PST)
The latest BioWare forum topic was locked before I got to add my 2 cents (and the one from yesterday was deleted, so I probably missed some stuff). I did just add a comment to Rhomal's post on his web site though [1]. I wonder if I can post to the forum without fanning the flames.... -- Austicke 17:50, 13 Dec 2005 (PST)
http://nwn2forums.bioware.com/forums/viewtopic.html?topic=462187&forum=95 has popped up, but it's a bit of a weak advert if it was really trying to be. Afterall, there's a tonne of DnD PnP wikis/srds on the web that can give the same warlock info. I can't quite bother to sink low enough for pointless advertising and properganda.--Defunc7 18:04, 13 Dec 2005 (PST)

Spam

We've had the good fortune of attracting our first professional spammer. See here. Please keep an eye out for this type of stuff. Their edits should be reverted immediately and an admin should ban them. -- Austicke 15:08, 29 Nov 2005 (PST)
They just hit two more pages, each time with different IP addresses. If this keeps up, we may need to require registration to edit pages. -- Austicke 20:09, 29 Nov 2005 (PST)
I added a spam filter to NWNWiki. Hopefully it helps. If you're unable to edit a page due to the filter (i.e., you get a false positive), please let me know. If you'd like to see the links that are being blocked, see here. -- Austicke 21:04, 29 Nov 2005 (PST)
We're getting hit with some spam this evening. Please keep an eye out and revert any bad stuff. -- Austicke 19:31, 11 Dec 2005 (PST)
Caught & dealt with another block. person's posting general pron/spam links in a bit of div code. It broke the main page by replacing "s with incorrect code. banned all IPs involved (+ a registered 1-post user). Deleted all blank pages involved.--Defunc7 19:52, 12 Dec 2005 (PST)
Thanks, Defunc7. I'll add the garbage to the Spam Blacklist. -- Austicke 02:45, 13 Dec 2005 (PST)

Delete World location categories?

Someone added an Australia category under the Gameworlds category with subcategories of Australia (East Coast) and Australia (West Coast). I think that's unnecessary and confusing. If someone wants to mention the geographic location of their server, they can do so in the article. Does anyone object to deleting these categories? -- Austicke 15:12, 10 Dec 2005 (PST)

Of far more value than the generic geographic location is the Timezone. I'd suggest simply making it a matter of standardized "style" in listing a PW or other game server's information that the timezone needs to be included. An optional "peak activity times" could be suggested but not required. For example, if I am looking at the wiki page for Bastions of War and I see that it is in the Pacific time zone (dunno if thats true but for sake of argument) and I am in the Central time zone, then I know that their peak activity time would probably be two hours later than what I would expect from a server in my own time zone. As usual, ask a question I write you a book. ;) Klingon Mage 20:57, 10 Dec 2005 (PST)