This is apparently the counter-spell for true-seeing, but I'm not sure why that's the case. Could someone enlighten me please? -- Harleyquin

  • Darned if I know. -- Austicke 22:13, 1 Dec 2005 (PST)

I don't get how being immune to breaching has anything to do with being useful against Balagarn's iron horn. --The Krit 17:28, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

  • It does, in general in pvp for hit a sorc flat footed you use balagarn iron horn. First ghost visage cannot block it since its not like the bard version its level 2. So you must use lesser globe of invul or globe of invul. Both of then can be simply breached by a lesser spell breach, that can be frustrating. So most of the sorc that good with caster usually use the shadow version that cannot be breached. So even after 2-3 mordaken the lesser globe of invul is still there and still protect you front be balagarn even if you dont have the time to cast another mantle. --ILKAY 19:09, September 2, 2009 (UTC)
  • Let me get this straight. You are implying that ghostly visage cannot be breached, but the normal version can, so you are referring to the shadow variant from this spell? And somehow you think the shadow lesser globe will survive multiple disjunctions, even though that spell uses the full caster level in the dispel check? And that someone capable of casting a Mord's is going to rely on a level 2 spell to make someone flat-footed instead of blasting away with time stop + Isaac's? Possibly, but it sounds like a highly specific case that's not worth mentioning on this page. (Even simply being a special case (mage vs. mage) of PvP is enough to make me disinclined to mention it here. The fact that it pertains to a specific tactic makes me even less inclined.) I think just mentioning that it cannot be breached will convey the important info without causing confusion. --The Krit 18:12, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
  • Most of the server pvp oriented have disable time stop and most of the high caster level have 45+ in all save versus spell so you need to rely on a spell that wont use saving throw, but whatever if you found it not that important delete the note i dont care. --ILKAY 19:50, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
  • When did saving throws come into the picture? Also, my objection is based on both importance and the potential for confusion -- despite what some people think, PvP is not the norm, PvP tactics are not universally recognized by reference to a single spell, and and the ridiculous lengths to which some servers have gone in an attempt to balance PvP are not common knowledge. --The Krit 22:23, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
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