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How these spells work[]

Exactly how do these spells work? Do you conjure non-damaging versions of these spells or their DCs differ according to the spell level of shades? Do the answers apply to shadow conjuration and greater shadow conjuration as well? -- Harleyquin October 30, 2005

  • They work exactly like the regular spells except they're a different spell level. In most cases, it's not a very useful spell. -- Austicke 22:14, 1 Dec 2005 (PST)
  • They use illusion for spell focus as well, so if you have illusion and no evocation, it can be useful to get better dcs. -- 80.67.64.10 07:31, 2 Dec 2005 (PST)
  • Good point, 80.67.64.10. That would be good info to add to the articles. -- Austicke 09:31, 2 Dec 2005 (PST)
  • Would then this spell bypass evocation immunities? DaBear 09:54, 2 Dec 2005 (PST)
  • yes. also bypasses evocation immunity. I added a note for all this info. -- Jjjhhhlll 12:55, 2 Dec 2005 (PST)
  • ok. I did Shadow Conjuration too. the spells there are no save, so no note on the dc, but the immunity stuff still applies. -- Jjjhhhlll 09:21, 3 Dec 2005 (PST)
  • Thank you, Jjjhhhlll. -- Austicke 10:18, 3 Dec 2005 (PST)
  • Jjjhhhlll is wrong. Illusion spell focus will not increase the DC of evocation sub spells from the shades radial and a shades cone of cold for example will not bypass evocation immunity. GhostNWN 07:40, 12 January 2006 (PST)
  • Have you tested it Ghost? --Countess Terra 07:49, 12 January 2006 (PST)
  • Of course :) GhostNWN 08:40, 12 January 2006 (PST)
  • eek. that explains a lot. I was wondering why certain monsters were immune to illusion spells AND evocation spells. Of course I was working with the false assumption about shades and such. -- Jjjhhhlll 12:55, 20 January 2006 (PST)

Usefulness[]

I don't think that you need to know the normal version of a spell to cast the shadow-varient of the spell, this could make the spell usuful for sourcerers, as a 4 for 1 deal, you can save your valuable known spells, at a price of casing them at 1 level higher. --38.119.205.2 November 27, 2006

Shadow variant definition[]

The note about spell level may still be taken to imply that the spells cast as Shades spells might be considered by the game to be level 6 spells. That would make this a worthwhile spell, but my (limited) observations have not shown that to be the case. For example, does a Shades-cast Fireball still act as a level 3 evocation spell in all important game respects except how it is memorized/known? In other words:

Is it considered to be fire damage for purposes of damage reduction/resistance?
Is it a level 3 spell for purposes of spell immunity, e.g. Minor Globe of Invulnerability and the like?
Is it a level 3 spell for purposes of saving throw DC?

If the answer is 'yes' for those questions, I suggest re-wording the note to something along the lines of "Shadow variant" has no real meaning in Neverwinter Nights; the spells cast via shades are identical to their "normal" versions, except that the sixth-level spell slot allows any of the sub-spells to be cast. When cast, they are treated as they would be if cast as normal spells of their original school and spell level. MrZork 15:32, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

  • The damage from a shades-fireball not only is considered fire damage for the purposes of damage resistance, but it is fire damage. The innate level of a shades-fireball is identical to the innate level of a fireball (3), but according to the note in talk:globe of invulnerability, it is the spell level, not innate level, that matters against a minor globe of invulnerability. The DC... hmmm, I think that goes on spell level, not innate level, but guess I could check that somewhat quickly. Let's see... with a casting ability modifier of +4 and no spell focus in any school, I got a DC of 20. That means the spell level is 6, so it's the spell level, not innate level that matters.
In summary, that makes the answers yes, no, and no. However, I don't see how a "yes" answer to the first question indicates a problem with the current text -- since the shades version is identical to the "normal" version, the damage type is implied to be the same, no? --The Krit 16:50, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
  • The subspells from shadow spell variants also penetrate that spell immunity - specific. Thus for example web cast from greater shadow conjuration normally affect spiders. 77.92.213.119 23:01, November 28, 2012 (UTC)
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