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*yes various bonuses to UMD counts for this purpose, however if you are playing multiplayer and you count on bonus from spell or bard song, then you might get disallowed to join into game if you log out if the server has ILR ON, as these bonuses can expire. Base charisma score and skill bonuses from items should count even when logging in. --[[User:ShaDoOoW|ShaDoOoW]] 00:27, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

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Perhaps I'm wrong but isn't the skillvsitemcost.2da used to determine which items can be used with a certain UMD rank? Also the table looks very wrong. For example with just 1 rank (and CHA 10) you can use most low level spell scrolls (up to a value of 1000 gold). Since the article was changed just a few hours before I don't want to change it back without a discussion. --Kamiryn 23:05, 9 January 2006 (PST)

  • I've added a few notes though the table is the same as it was before, so *shrugs* I couldn't find a skillvsitems.2da but the itemvalue.2da has a very similar table.GhostNWN 00:35, 10 January 2006 (PST)
  • As far as I know the itemvalue.2da is used for item restriction by level checks, it's not used for UMD checks. Yes, I saw the older version had the wrong table as well. I can make the necessary corrections once I'm at home again.--Kamiryn 03:19, 10 January 2006 (PST)
  • Nice fix for the table. I only fixed the style before... guess I should have checked the content too. Oh well. Nice job. ^_^ --Countess Terra 10:40, 10 January 2006 (PST)

I changed the notes because it didn't seem right to compare the primary use of UMD (using items) to the secondary use of Tumble (the AC boost). And the reference to ranks was incorrect. --The Krit 03:13, 5 February 2006 (PST)

Shadowdancer and UMD

I don't understand how a level of shadowdancer has anything to do with the UMD scroll check since shadowdancer doesn't get UMD. Could someone explain how the shadowdancer class fits into the UMD check "picture"? Tx. --Iconclast 05:13, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

  • It's quite simple in a way. Line 93 of the script x2_pc_check checks to see if the PC in question can not use UMD, is not a rogue, is not an assassin, and is not a shadowdancer. Passing that check means the game skips the UMD skill check. A better question would be why shadowdancers are included in this check. Probably because whoever wrote that script was not being careful with the rules and was just thinking how rogues, assassins, and shadowdancers have this nice synergy thing going. --The Krit 06:09, April 15, 2010 (UTC)
  • Yeah. I'm quite challenged searching out the actual dynamics in script so just assumed that it must have been programmed by the designers to work that way. It was more the logic that escaped me why a class without UMD was included, which has now been enlightened. You have put my mind at ease... again. ;) --Iconclast 14:10, April 15, 2010 (UTC)
  • Keep in mind that this is the same game that for years required 4 fighter levels to take weapon specialization — unless you wanted to specialize in clubs, in which case 1 fighter level was sufficient. The same game that for years required weapon focus to get epic weapon focus — unless you wanted to focus in the club, in which case improved critical was required. The same game that.... well, if you need more convincing that the game has always been riddled with bugs, just take a look at the patch notes. The 1.69 notes alone list 31 general fixes, and that does not include text and .2da changes. ;) --The Krit 21:42, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

Figuring UMD cut-off

for the cut-off values of the various UMD levels, are the scores in the table the required ranks in UMD, or are they the required adjusted die rolls? e.g., if a character has a 14 CHA would s/he still need 5 ranks to use a 4800gp item, or would 2 ranks be sufficient [2 (ranks) + 2 (cha) + 1 (minimum roll on a d20) = 5] ?

24.5.29.89 00:01, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

  • yes various bonuses to UMD counts for this purpose, however if you are playing multiplayer and you count on bonus from spell or bard song, then you might get disallowed to join into game if you log out if the server has ILR ON, as these bonuses can expire. Base charisma score and skill bonuses from items should count even when logging in. --ShaDoOoW 00:27, November 13, 2011 (UTC)
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