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BCH runs a private RP-focused NWN game for friends, best described as a Virtual Tabletop or Virtual Pen and Paper game.

"BCH" stands for Bigby's _____ Hand, where the C stands for Clumsy, Coding, Contumelious, Canoodling, or various other words depending on the situation. Or it might be my initials. The other explanation is more fun.


My Central Experience on This WikiEdit

Copied from the Talk:Pick pocket page:

Please don't make  me  people want to leave Edit

Wow.  The Krit, by deleting or re-writing virtually everything I contributed to this page, you've completely crushed the sensation that I had contributed something to this wiki, and replaced it with gnawing frustration.  You have caused me to want to avoid contributing anything here again.

In your pursuit of terseness, I believe you are inadvertently causing obfuscation.  If a person adds a sentence to a page, and you remove most or all of it because you think the information was already adequately covered, then perhaps you should consider the possibility that the information, while technically present, is not present in a form that is clear enough to a wide enough range of people.  At the very least, if a person makes such an edit, that is a clear indication that particular person did not see that particular information.  

If a document does not properly inform some of the people who read it, far better to change the document than to hope to change the people.

Is it your intent to make this wiki useful only to people above a certain level of intelligence?  With fluent English, and a certain grasp of logical connection of data?  Or do you want to make it as accessible as possible to as many people as possible?  If accessibility is a goal of any sort here, a certain amount of redundancy is not only necessary, but good for understanding.  Stating a fact more than one way, and in more than one place, is a very helpful and useful technique to foster understanding.

It would also reduce your workload if you could find it in your heart to leave people's edits in place, if they are not actually stating falsehoods or posting mathematical errors.  Information that is true can be allowed to be redundant without serious repercussions.

Also, if you had left my edits alone, I would still be willing to contribute to this wiki, instead of throwing my hands up in frustration.  -- BCH (talk) 04:52, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

  • What? You've lost the sensation that you have contributed something to this wiki? After adding that gold can be pickpocketed? That gold can be pickpocketed only if the target has some? That the amount of gold that can be obtained equals the skill check? That if a target has no items or gold to take then the player is told so? That the spot check is resolved before the pick pocket check? That pick pocket can be used only once per round? That items worn on the body are not inside a backpack? That item stacks are stolen as a whole? That items containing other items cannot be stolen? That items inside other items are not immune to pick pocket? That detection of pick pocket cancels stealth mode? That this canceling of stealth mode does not also cancel invisibility? Contributing ~75% of the current notes is of no merit simply because they are not in your words?
Wikis are places for collaborative efforts, which means anything and everything you contribute is subject to improvement by someone else. If you cannot handle that, then maybe you shouldn't be contributing to one (perhaps a blog would be more suitable). If all you can see are the negatives, you're just going to experience growing frustration. On the other hand, if you look for the positives, you might find more value in producing a valuable resource than in attacking complaining about others.
Speaking of attacking others complaining, one of the things I enjoy about editing a wiki is taking what is there and making it better. You object to that. Basically, you are saying that virtually everything I have contributed to this page is worthless, which by your logic should leave me crushed and running away. Is that really what you want to do to someone else? --The Krit (talk) 01:40, August 2, 2013 (UTC)
  • -- (wiki keeps trying to put my reply between your two paragraphs) --
The Krit, what I wrote was merely a complaint, not an attack.  What I posted in the Pick Pocket page was neither incorrect nor misleading, and did not need to be redacted.  I'm disappointed you did not address any of my concerns about accessibility, nor display anything but disdain for the emotional experience I described to you, nor did you "Assume Good Faith" regarding what I wrote, but instead you replied instead with sarcasm, insulting accusations, and Straw Men.  I assumed you would dismiss my complaint (as you have done before), but I am quite surprised to see you respond with such vitriol.  -- BCH (talk) 02:36, August 2, 2013 (UTC)
  • You want to call it "complaint" instead of "attack"? Fine, I've edited that into my earlier comment. It does not change my point. I have not addressed specific edits to the article because your major point -- based on it appearing first and occupying the majority of your comments -- is complaining about me. I chose to address one issue at a time, so why not the major one? People see sarcasm and insults when they want to, and there is little I have been able to do about that. Any "straw men" you see in what I wrote are not straw men but reflections of my understanding of what you wrote. If the reflection is not what you meant, then communication failed somewhere. --The Krit (talk) 12:42, August 3, 2013 (UTC)
    • I'm satisfied to let this conversation end here, as I don't see anything likely to change as a result of it.  The Krit, your selectiveness in what you respond to and what you ignore, and how you do so, speaks volumes about you.  You remain the proverbial Eight Hundred Pound Gorilla of this wiki, and with that greater power comes greater responsibility to everyone else who uses this wiki, especially (but not limited to) ensuring that your opinions and mistakes (everyone makes them) are not enshrined as policy.  I have a great respect for other work you've done - I've been using your creature palette override, Naming Quill, and A Better Craft Magic for years - but I'm quite sure you are a lousy document writer and an even worse editor, so that respect does not translate into kowtowing.  -- BCH (talk) 17:54, August 3, 2013 (UTC)
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